The Cultural and Political Battle: Interview with the 3 Great Voices of Truth and Freedom at CPAC México 2024

On August 24, 2024, Mexico grew to become the epicenter of the cultural battle with the internet hosting of CPAC Mexico, an occasion that introduced collectively key figures from the political and social arenas. Amid passionate speeches and debates, María Herrera stood out with a memorable interview, the place two nice titans of the cultural wrestle shared their visions and techniques for defending conservative values in an more and more polarized world.

The cultural battle in Latin America has been a rising matter of significance, particularly in a context the place left-wing insurance policies have gained floor in a number of nations. In the course of the interview, the individuals emphasised the necessity for an organized and decided resistance to defend the rules they think about basic: freedom of speech, the protection of life, and the safety of the household because the core of society.

Along with addressing these matters, the interview additionally touched on sensible elements, such because the techniques getting used to counter the affect of the left within the area. This ranges from consciousness campaigns to lively participation in political processes, demonstrating a transparent dedication to the conservative trigger.

Listed below are some key excerpts from the interview:

María Herrera: Good afternoon, we’re again right here at CPAC Mexico, and I’m joined by three nice males who’re main an unimaginable cultural battle around the globe, particularly right here in Mexico, the place they’ve given a number of lectures and are on tour. I’m speaking about Agustín Laje to my proper, in fact, Miklos Lukacs, and Pablo Muñoz Iturrieta. Welcome to all three.

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María Herrera: I heard Agustín within the earlier interviews, speaking concerning the significance of Robert Kennedy Jr. withdrawing from the presidential race yesterday and endorsing Trump. Agustín, do you suppose this might set a precedent for different candidates, who aren’t aligned with the precise, to endorse conservative figures? As a result of as Robert Kennedy mentioned, the true menace towards kids, towards democracy, and the survival of a nation is at stake.

Agustín Laje: Properly, what occurs is that Kennedy Jr. is somebody who, regardless of being a Democrat, has already left the social gathering and has nothing to do with the American left anymore. He’s somebody who opposes Large Pharma and Large Finance, that are probably the most highly effective enemies Donald Trump has. He’s additionally towards the Deep State.

So, on the finish of the day, there appear to be a number of factors of convergence for him to finish up endorsing Trump in states the place the stakes are excessive. In different states, for instance, the place the result is already recognized, like California, there’ll nonetheless be a Kennedy Jr. poll. Nonetheless, I see the electoral local weather in the USA as very unusual. Frankly, it worries me rather a lot, rather a lot, as a result of everybody thought that after the taking pictures incident, the elections had been already received.

I perceive that Trump himself thought this when he selected Vance as his operating mate. It appeared like the sport was over. However the actuality is that just some days later, nobody even remembers the taking pictures, nor that Kamala Harris is the present vp.

And there’s a type of Orwellian second in the USA proper now, the place we’ve seen Harris, with out saying a phrase or giving a single interview, rise within the polls and, in some circumstances, surpass Trump. So, what simply occurred with Kennedy Jr. is essential, but it surely’s not the ultimate phrase. There’s nonetheless the controversy, and a number of other weeks stay till November. Something may occur in the USA.

María Herrera: Miklos, Agustín mentions the ambiance is unusual, and I interviewed you earlier concerning the protests within the UK. Particularly, what we felt, for instance, at CPAC in Washington DC, is that individuals right here in the USA, for the primary time in a few years, are scared once more. Hundreds of individuals have been jailed after the decision for an election audit on January 6. Banks handed over non-public client monetary knowledge merely for having a espresso at Starbucks in Washington DC that day. Is that this regular? Do you see this completely aligned with the agenda of persecuting dissidents and any resistance to the progressive, globalist motion in the USA?

Miklos Lukacs: What I see is that the agenda is similar; it’s simply transferring at completely different speeds. There are nations the place that is a lot additional alongside.

Canada, as an illustration, is brazenly a dystopia. The UK is headed down that path. France is totally Islamized.

 I’m not saying that, demographically, Islam is almost all, however culturally, Islam’s energy is rather more evident than Christianity. Spain can also be heading in that route with its open borders insurance policies, and what occurred within the UK—the place a younger Rwandan teenager of shade stabbed three kids to dying and injured ten others—pushed many Britons over the sting. Individuals who had been silent had been lastly fed up, which resulted in these explosions, these marches in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, and Edinburgh. The large cities of the UK, particularly the combative northwest. And Keir Starmer, who’s brazenly fascist, suppressed these protests harshly as a result of there’s two-tier policing, as they name it. Immigrants are handled a technique, and natives one other. The natives are being persecuted. And there’s additionally an Orwellian ambiance, as Agustín talked about.

That is Orwellianism utilized. It’s not principle; now you will be imprisoned for tweeting one thing they don’t like or for a Fb put up. In the meantime, in case you rape a baby, you get a yr or two in jail, and in case you’re an immigrant, they make it even simpler for you.

So sure, there’s this distinction, and I feel the state of affairs in the USA is simply at completely different speeds. In coastal states, each east and west, the state of affairs is already misplaced, however within the coronary heart of the U.S., particularly within the smaller, extra conventional states, there’s nonetheless a powerful conservative drive, albeit not a big one.

María Herrera: Pablo, we’ve seen previously week Elon Musk’s interview with Donald Trump and the way it triggered a response, even a preemptive one, from the European Union. […] You might be somebody who educates dad and mom and society normally about their rights and defending freedom of speech. What can we do to encourage, as Agustín says, extra folks to become involved in politics? Not as a result of they like politics, however as a method to outlive on this world the place the one factor you might have left is your voice—barely, as a result of not even on social media are you able to absolutely categorical your proper to have your nation defended by its nationals.

Pablo Muñoz: Properly, look, in case you’ll permit me, I’ll reply by following the Orwellian line that Agustín and Miklos touched on. I feel Canada is the paradigm these days, at the least in how an Orwellian authorities operates regarding freedom of speech, particularly in relation to your rights to coach and lift your kids primarily based on pure parental rights that precede the state. In Canada, immediately, they’re debating a regulation that asks for a reform of the penal code to present life sentences to individuals who deny, on social media, in feedback or posts, all these new rights associated to gender identification and sexual orientation.

So, for instance, in case you contradict in a remark, a put up, or a YouTube video the so-called proper to gender identification, they’re asking so that you can obtain life imprisonment, greater than for committing homicide. That’s, the worst crime you may commit in Canada is denying gender ideology. So we’ve got to know that what is occurring in Canada, which is actually dystopian and Orwellian, will ultimately occur in different nations with the identical pace Miklos talked about. In Mexico, the whole lot is prepared for when Claudia Sheinbaum wins, as she follows the identical ideological line.

In the USA, with Kamala Harris, the state of affairs goes to get a lot worse. I feel it’s time for folks to grow to be conscious of their political duty as a result of all these politicians got here to energy with folks’s help sooner or later. I see an enormous political ignorance amongst many individuals who voted for Trudeau simply because they discovered him good-looking, a handsome man. However once they noticed who Trudeau actually was, it was already too late as a result of Canada has a system the place it’s very arduous to take away a chief minister.

María Herrera: Agustín, the subject of Argentina […] in relation to Spain, contemplating the tensions that emerged from the statements Milley made at VIVA, returning to the problem of defending freedom of expression, how is it attainable that there are these tensions when what’s being achieved is just exposing the reality? What did Milley say? Pedro Sánchez’s spouse was being investigated for corruption; we all know concerning the Pegasus case. So what needs to be Milley’s stance in direction of Pedro Sánchez’s regime, which is allied with Venezuela and the worst tyrannies on the earth?

Agustín Laje: Look, Milley doesn’t mince his phrases, and in that sense, he’s similar to Donald Trump. If you happen to carefully analyze Milley’s speech, which you referred to from VIVA 24, the reference to Pedro Sánchez and the alleged corruption of his spouse got here when he interrupted his studying—this wasn’t within the ready speech. What does that let you know? It tells you concerning the power of the reality. Individuals who love the reality really feel its drive driving them to talk it, regardless of the implications that observe. Neither Trump nor Milley are profession politicians; they’re individuals who spent their lives doing different issues and ended up the place they’re merely attributable to destiny. They don’t have the everyday vices of profession politicians—the vices of mendacity.

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Pedro Sánchez and in addition López Obrador, right here in Mexico, intervened through the Argentine electoral marketing campaign by publishing posts and movies supporting sure candidates, which is sort of attention-grabbing as a result of each declare to be towards meddling in relation to Venezuela. For instance, I just lately heard López Obrador say that nobody ought to say there was fraud in Venezuela as a result of that will be meddling. However lower than a yr in the past, that man was talking out towards an Argentine presidential candidate throughout his morning press convention. And Pedro Sánchez, who says it’s meddling for Milley to come back to Spain and touch upon our authorities, was commenting on each Argentine candidates throughout their marketing campaign. With Milley, you’ll hear all this stuff; he doesn’t mince phrases. You might like or dislike him, however he’ll let you know what he thinks, and he’s dedicated to causes that individuals had been initially skeptical about, considering he would solely run an economicist authorities. In actuality, he’s absolutely dedicated to combating gender ideology, radical feminism, and the «setentismo» ideology in Argentina, which glorifies terrorists and denigrates the navy. Now, for instance, victims of terrorism maintain public places of work, the place for the previous 20 years, we’ve solely seen former guerrillas and terrorists in state positions. He’s lifted the morale of the navy, and now no official occasion takes place with out the navy taking part in a outstanding function. We’re seeing many modifications inside a short while, however Milley’s political weak spot is obvious as a result of he doesn’t have legislative energy on his aspect. He has only a few deputies, even fewer senators, and no governors or mayors. It’s simply him and public opinion, boosted by social media, that at the moment maintain energy for Milley.

María Herrera: […] Miklos, Trump’s resolution for nationwide safety is exactly the militarization of the border. Nonetheless, we see that in Latin America, many of those militarization initiatives to cease organized crime haven’t been efficient. What can we study from this expertise—circumstances like Colombia and Mexico, the place we at the moment are? Navy deployment is imposed, however the nation doesn’t enhance. What can we are saying about that?

Miklos Lukacs: That’s an attention-grabbing query as a result of, beneath present circumstances, I consider militarizing the U.S. border is important. However the case of Latin America is completely different. I can point out the expertise in Peru with Sendero Luminoso and Alberto Fujimori’s authorities, which utilized an anti-terrorist coverage that additionally concerned home safety, not terrorism, however crime. Fujimori understood that he couldn’t struggle subversion if the navy didn’t construct belief with the inhabitants. You are able to do this within the area; you may militarize, however there’s a deep mistrust of the police, much more than of the navy. This has an financial element as a result of the salaries of those individuals are very low, so they’re liable to corruption. There’s no belief between residents and their police, a little bit extra with the navy, however belief within the police could be very scarce. The state of affairs in Mexico is alarming. If a police officer stops you, you don’t cease. It’s that straightforward. So, any home safety coverage essentially entails constructing belief, however that takes years.

María Herrera: Pablo, the European Union, led by Josep Borrell as its Excessive Consultant, says it not helps Maduro, however through the years, we’ve seen them help the dictatorship of Díaz-Canel and the Castro regime, by financing and canceling debt by agreements just like the Paris Membership. Why? I requested María Fernanda Cabal, and it makes me suspicious that out of the blue Boric, Petro, and even Josep Borrell are distancing themselves from Maduro. Is it as a result of the fraud is so clear, or what is occurring with the Puebla Group, the São Paulo Discussion board—why are they pulling away?

Pablo Muñoz: Look, the reality is that I’m not Venezuelan, nor am I an skilled on Venezuela, but it surely appears to me that social media has put monumental strain on the problem of Maduro’s authorities’s illegitimacy. It’s apparent that this authorities is illegitimate and that the European Union and all these presidents through the years have been supporting a authorities that has all the time been illegitimate. I feel that’s the central subject in Venezuela—Maduro is actually only a nominal president with energy in Venezuela, but it surely’s all primarily based on a lie as a result of he doesn’t have the authorized proper to be president. He has actually grow to be a dictator. When international public opinion grew to become so centered on Venezuela, it was unimaginable to see on social media. The media was additionally centered on Venezuela, however I can let you know that movies made by Agustín and a few I made obtained extra views than CNN. That’s as a result of the evaluation they current is so superficial, so ideologically biased, that individuals have realized it’s a lie. I as soon as had a stay stream, which has by no means occurred to me earlier than, with 172,000 folks watching—it was the one time. I couldn’t consider I had 172,000 folks watching stay; it was inconceivable, far more than what CNN had on the identical matter. CNN had a median of 40,000 to 50,000 viewers. I don’t have a YouTube channel as large as others, however Agustín has an enormous one. His channel follows a really practical and aligned ideological and philosophical line with what we speak about. I’m referring to different YouTube channels that speak about Venezuela, consider Ruzarín or different personalities from Mexico who’ve larger channels than mine however are clowns providing such superficial evaluation that individuals are catching on. I consider that ultimately impacts politicians and even influences their speeches.

María Herrera: The difficulty of nationwide safety, Agustín, and with this, I’ll shut as I don’t wish to take extra of your time—we’ve by no means seen this degree of violence, organized crime brazenly roaming the streets of Santiago. Boric talks about making an attempt to repeat the legal public insurance policies of Nayib Bukele, but it surely nonetheless makes me suspicious. I imply, when Boric and Petro come out with these concepts, it doesn’t make a lot sense to me. Properly, they’re shut buddies in spite of everything.

Agustín Laje: Look, with Boric, it’s a must to admit the man wasn’t as radical as he may have been—he was fairly a average leftist. And I’d say, concerning the migration subject, there’s an entire matter there as a result of there are completely different waves of migration. You might obtain a wave of excellent folks, and you then begin getting waves of people that aren’t so good […] So sure, that is going to have a big impact on the area. Our programs are already fairly fragile for ourselves, not to mention to help thousands and thousands of people that weren’t accounted for in these social, healthcare, instructional, welfare, and safety programs.

It’s not straightforward to obtain a wave, a diaspora just like the Venezuelan one. So, I don’t suppose there will likely be any international intervention. I consider the one strategy to clear up the Venezuelan subject is by drawing inspiration from what occurred in Bolivia in 2019, when there was fraud, and folks took to the streets and didn’t depart for greater than 20 days. The Armed Forces ultimately mentioned they wouldn’t repress the folks, and Evo Morales needed to depart. Until there’s an inner fracture throughout the Bolivarian Armed Forces, there’s no hope. The large query is how do you create that fracture? And I feel the way in which to do it’s with very lively militancy from folks within the streets, eroding the morale of the Armed Forces. In fact, this comes at a excessive price. Why? As a result of no folks have ever received their freedom without cost.

Let’s begin there. There will likely be blood, there will likely be disappeared folks, tortured folks, murdered folks, kidnapped folks. It’s going to occur. The query is, are Venezuelans immediately keen to undergo that ache? If they’re, there’s a path to freedom. In the event that they’re not, there’s a continuation of slavery. That is Hegel’s master-slave dialectic in motion. Why is the slave a slave? As a result of he was afraid to die. Right here, those that worry dying, effectively, I’m not making an ethical judgment, I’m making a political evaluation. If you happen to worry dying within the face of tyranny, you’re reproducing the psychological precept of despotism, which is worry.

So, in case you worry the despot, you empower the despot. Whenever you lose worry of the despot, you threat your life, however you undermine the psychological basis of tyranny, as Montesquieu identified.

María Herrera: There’s a Hispanic vote that must be educated. You already know my work as an immigration lawyer and educator; it’s not sufficient to have only one particular person. We want a crew, and we have to encourage future Hispanic leaders within the U.S. in order that we multiply, as Jaime Flores and I had been discussing immediately. The capability of Hispanics to keep away from being manipulated is essential. They shouldn’t wish to stay within the U.S. the identical method they did in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia—it’s actually regarding what we’re seeing. So, thanks very a lot, and hopefully subsequent yr, the 4 of us can tour throughout the U.S., educating and particularly inspiring new leaders.